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That's Ms. Butch to you: those old butch/femme games are so out of date ... not. Out writer-actor Guinevere Turner sizes up the varieties of lesbian identity now.


I was talking to Noun 1. talking to - a lengthy rebuke; "a good lecture was my father's idea of discipline"; "the teacher gave him a talking to"
lecture, speech

rebuke, reprehension, reprimand, reproof, reproval - an act or expression of criticism and censure; "he had to
 a random straight guy recently about a writer he loves that I knew in college, and I said, "She was just a shy butch dyke." And he said, "Really? I always heard she was really attractive." Whoa, dude--what the hell are you talking about? I reminded him in no uncertain terms that "butch" and "attractive" are not mutually exclusive Adj. 1. mutually exclusive - unable to be both true at the same time
contradictory

incompatible - not compatible; "incompatible personalities"; "incompatible colors"
 in my world, but it got me thinking about the butch/ femme femme  
adj.
Slang Exhibiting stereotypical or exaggerated feminine traits. Used especially of lesbians and gay men.

n.
1. Slang One who is femme.

2. Informal A woman or girl.
 thing and the different meanings people assign to those words.

I myself used to bristle at Verb 1. bristle at - show anger or indignation; "She bristled at his insolent remarks"
bridle at, bridle up, bristle up

mind - be offended or bothered by; take offense with, be bothered by; "I don't mind your behavior"
 the terms--having always had the label "femme" slapped on to me. "You don't know Don't know (DK, DKed)

"Don't know the trade." A Street expression used whenever one party lacks knowledge of a trade or receives conflicting instructions from the other party.
 me!" I would say. "You don't know who I go out with, what kind of underwear I am wearing, if I've ever had a manicure, and most important, how I have sex ..." And therein lies the rub, if you will--I think people who are not in the know think that being called "butch" or "femme" means a whole host of things that aren't necessarily implied: that one is the man and one is the woman, that one is sexually aggressive sexually aggressive adjective Relating to potentially violent behavior focused on gratification of sexual drives, regardless of the desire for participation on the part of the partner. See Sexually dangerous.  and one is sexually passive, that the "femme" really wants a man but has instead found a manly person who isn't an asshole to her, that the "butch" wants to be a man but has only a detachable de·tach  
tr.v. de·tached, de·tach·ing, de·tach·es
1. To separate or unfasten; disconnect: detach a check from the checkbook; detach burs from one's coat.

2.
 penis to work with. (This last argument is all the weaker of late, since there are plenty of women becoming men if that's what they really want.) Anyway, I've known women who identify as butch and women who identify as femme who both fit and defy these stereotypes, from the femme who recently screeched at a dinner party for all to hear, "I am not a pillow queen!"--we all laughed but later wondered in private how that works with those nails of hers--to the butch who recently bragged to me, "Yeah, I'm the daddy in the relationship, but you wouldn't have known it to see her this morning," winking and elbowing me as I thought, Ewww... (just because I hate it when people have to find a way to let me know they had sex this morning, not because the idea of a butch on her back is unappealing to me).

Butch/femme. Top/bottom. Man/ woman. Provider/nurturer. Practical/ emotional. Car fixer/cake maker. Starfish/stud muffin. (Starfish, you ask? Think flat on your back with arms and legs in starfish-like positions.) We can all find pieces of ourselves in these dichotomies, but how do you look in a bridesmaid's dress?

Long ago my best friend and I decided that "butch and femme “Femme” redirects here. For Kamen Rider Ryuki character, see Kamen Rider Femme.

“Butch” redirects here. For other uses, see Butch (disambiguation).
" really didn't tell us enough--that actually all relationships could be understood by asking, "Which one is the mommy and which one is the baby?" (No offense, butches, but when you break it down this way, you know where you usually end up.) Then we decided to take it one step further and say that all relationships can be broken down into dingo/ baby. Who is being carried away in whose mouth in the middle of the night? Think about it.

Try this butch/femme test on your friends: Say "Look at your nails." The butch curls her fingers inward, looking at them the way you would if you were checking for oil underneath. The femme holds her hand at arm's length arm's length adj. the description of an agreement made by two parties freely and independently of each other, and without some special relationship, such as being a relative, having another deal on the side or one party having complete control of the other.  and looks at the back of her hand, as you would if you were assessing an engagement ring. Another test is "Look at the bottom of your shoe." The butch folds her leg in front of herself; the femme throws her head over her shoulder and bends her leg back. It doesn't mean she can't change your tire--it just means she's a lady of some kind. Who knows? It's just a funny game.

Here's another fun game: It's Salem, Mass., circa 1692. The witch hunts are in full swing, and all you ladies are painfully aware that it's pretty much a lesbo hunt. The consequences of being deemed one are being burned at the you know what. Would you be the big old couldn't-hide-it-if-she-tried spinster SPINSTER. An addition given, in legal writings, to a woman who never was married. Lovel. on Wills, 269.  who was first to go? Or would you be the married woman who's learned to "curb her appetites"? I like to look around a room full of lesbians and decide: Burned. Burned. So-o-o burned. Curber. Curber ... Etc. Who would you be?

There are of course a whole slew of lesbians who despise butch and femme labels--who find them oppressive and fight them tooth and nail. (These are often women who prefer to go out with women who look just like them. To these "samey-samey" couples, or "twinners" as I like to call them, I say, Go for it! Hey, that's a lifestyle choice too; just don't be surprised if people constantly mix up your names.)

When I told one girlfriend, upon first meeting her, that I was surprised at how butch her ex was (because of course I knew her), and she said, "Why does everything have to be butch/ femme with you?" I felt shunned, but later in the relationship she threw out, "Yeah, I've been known to get caught up in a little brother-on-brother love." This made me laugh.

What people have to realize is that if the butch/femme thing is done at all, it's done with a sense of irony. I know butch buddies who affectionately refer to each other as "he" but are not trans-identified. I have been set up with superfemme girls on blind dates (usually by fags, I must say) and had to explain to my "matchmakers Matchmakers are an elongate confectionery product made by Nestlé. Thin, twig-like and brittle, they were first launched in 1968 by Rowntree's and were just one third of the length they are now. For many years they were available in either mint, coffee or orange flavour. ," "Guys, come on, what do I look like, a lesbian?" Some people get that joke and some people don't. It's what the tranny ladies call "kai kai": girly-girl on girly-girl love. I have nothing against it--it's just not my thing personally.

I will admit that I sometimes still bristle bristle

1. the thick strong animal fibers collected at commercial abattoirs for use in brushes.

2. the sharp serrated awns of grass and some cereal seeds that confer a capacity to penetrate normal skin and mucosa and to cause ulcerative stomatitis, grass seed abscess and the like.
 when someone calls me a femme. Yes, I wear heels and lipstick and have long hair and throw like a girl. But I bristle for the reason we all bristle when someone is presumptuous pre·sump·tu·ous  
adj.
Going beyond what is right or proper; excessively forward.



[Middle English, from Old French presumptueux, from Late Latin praes
: I don't want to be complicit com·plic·it  
adj.
Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime; having complicity: newspapers complicit with the propaganda arm of a dictatorship.
 with whatever that label means to you. Especially if it means weak or passive or helpless or anything one-dimensional. And really, like most things in life, it boils down to sex. Don't assume anything about me sexually; it makes me nervous.

And besides, I could change my mind about anything at any moment. Just because I did something once doesn't mean I'll do it again, and just because I've never done something doesn't mean I might not be up for it someday. And that includes changing your tire.

Turner is a Los Angeles-based writer-actor-director-warrior princess-smoker. This year her screenplays BloodRayne and The Notorious Bettie Page Bettie Mae Page (though listed "Betty" on her birth certificate) born April 22, 1923 in Nashville, Tennessee, is a former American model who became famous in the 1950s for her fetish modeling and pin-up photos.  made it to the big screen.
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Date:Aug 15, 2006
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