What NCEW members said: from the NCEW listserv beginning June 15, 2005.Editor's Note Editor's Note (foaled in 1993 in Kentucky) is an American thoroughbred Stallion racehorse. He was sired by 1992 U.S. Champion 2 YO Colt Forty Niner, who in turn was a son of Champion sire Mr. Prospector and out of the mare, Beware Of The Cat.
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Morning daily newspaper. Established in 1881, it was purchased and incorporated in 1884 by Harrison Gray Otis (1837–1917) under The Times-Mirror Co. (the hyphen was later dropped from the name). editorial pages did not begin with the announcement, but rather with the combative com·bat·ive
Eager or disposed to fight; belligerent. See Synonyms at argumentative.
com·bative·ly adv. declaration of support the changes enjoyed from a writer for the online magazine Slate. That exchange begins below.
JONATHAN GURWITZ, San Antonio Express-News The San Antonio Express-News is the daily newspaper of San Antonio, Texas. It is ranked as the third-largest daily newspaper in the state of Texas in terms of circulation, and is one of the leading news sources of South Texas, with offices in Austin, Brownsville, Laredo, and : Slate's Timothy Noah Timothy Noah is an American journalist. He is a senior writer for Slate Magazine, where he writes the "Chatterbox" column. He is also a contributing editor to The Washington Monthly. Noah was previously an assistant managing editor at U.S. weighs in today with a provocative commentary on Michael Kinsley Michael Kinsley (born March 9, 1951 in Detroit, Michigan) is an American political journalist, commentator television host and liberal pundit. Primarily active in print media as both a writer and editor, he also became known to television audiences as a co-host on Crossfire and the L.A. Times. A few snippets:
"The editorial page has never really represented the opinions of the newspaper's owners, either, unless you're prepared to believe that the typical newspaper owner formulates on a daily basis three or four detailed opinions on matters of local, national, or international significance."
"If the newspaper editorial were, in itself, a compelling journalistic form, it might be worth going on pretending that editorials represented something more than the opinion of a few journalists assigned to the editorial page and their boss, the editorial page editor."
"I therefore suggest that Kinsley, in shaking up the LA. Times editorial board and proposing all sorts of innovations, should embrace the most obvious one: Eliminate the editorial page."
"Another reason we haven't yet seen the withering with·er·ing
Tending to overwhelm or destroy; devastating: withering sarcasm.
with away of the editorial page is that its elimination depends not only on the imagination and guts of editorial page editors to buck respectable opinion but also on the willingness of these editors to eliminate their own jobs."
In these parts, we'd call those fightin' words.
DAN RADMACHER, The Roanoke Times: Why does this sound to me like Mr. Noah is saying, "What I do is what's actually important and compelling"? Anyone turn him down for an editorial job recently? Sounds a bit like sour grapes to me.
Seriously, though, think the idea that no one wants to read editorials is flat-out wrong. No one wants to read boring editorials, sure. But a lively editorial page still attracts significant readership mostly, I would argue, because of the editorials. And, as we've seen some anecdotal evidence anecdotal evidence,
n information obtained from personal accounts, examples, and observations. Usually not considered scientifically valid but may indicate areas for further investigation and research. in the thread about officials' interest in editorials, they still get the attention of at least some policy wonks.
MARK C. MAHONEY, The Post-Star, Glens Falls, New York Glens Falls is a city in Warren County, New York, United States. It is part of the Glens Falls, New York Metropolitan Statistical Area. The population was 14,354 at the 2000 census. The name is derived from the large waterfall in the Hudson River at the southern base of the city. : You could make those same lame arguments about newspapers in general. "No one reads them anymore. They're not relevant. Blah blah."
Newspapers, and their opinion pages, certainly have a role in their communities. But the writing and design have to be purposeful and compelling to fulfill that role.
If the purpose of your editorials is to preach, then I agree with this guy--get out of the editorial business and join a church. If your purpose is to blow your own horn, join a marching band Noun 1. marching band - a band that marches (as in a parade) and plays music at the same time
band - instrumentalists not including string players .
But if your purpose is to spur discussion among citizens on current issues, synthesize To create a whole or complete unit from parts or components. See synthesis. the arguments, and offer suggestions for improving the community, then editorials certainly have a valuable place.
As we all know, we ain't in this for the pay and certainly not the glory. But if we do our jobs right, we can actually make a difference in our communities.
MITCH OLSZAK, New Castle News, Pennsylvania: Call me biased (everyone else does), but I think there's an essential role for editorial writers in a free society.
Op-ed pieces are too often spin put out by flacks and special interests.
And much of the remaining commentary these days is put out by those on the left and right who are more loyal to their ideologies than to common sense integrity, and courage.
Locally, our editorials are often the only voice that stands in contrast to the assorted political idiocies of the moment. It's a voice that (I hope) is more than mere rant. Rather, it's one of some experience, knowledge, and authority. Newspapers and our culture as a whole surrender these at our own peril.
I'm all for critical self-analysis and challenging the status quo [Latin, The existing state of things at any given date.] Status quo ante bellum means the state of things before the war. The status quo to be preserved by a preliminary injunction is the last actual, peaceable, uncontested status which preceded the pending controversy. . I am not for the abandonment of a crucial forum for debate and analysis.
FRAN FRAN Functional Reactive Animation K PARTSCH, Omaha World-Herald The Omaha World-Herald, based in Omaha, Nebraska, is the primary daily newspaper of Nebraska as well as portions of southwest Iowa. It is the largest employee-owned newspaper company in the United States. History
The newspaper was founded in 1885 by Gilbert M. : Well, yes. Dan nails it. I get really tired of the notion that something we have done this way for a long time is by definition worn out and in need of innovation. A lot of damage has been done to otherwise good newspapers whose "love me, please" editors listened to news doctors and consultants and came to develop a sense of self-loathing because they were still doing things the old way.
Admittedly, the old way was too often ineffective. But this ineffectiveness came not because it was the old way per se but because what a lot of newspapers do nowadays constitutes merely an unwork-manlike job of aping the old way. The editorial pages often considered the best in the country--those run by the Henningers, Greenbergs, Holwerks, Collinses, Ogilvies, and Steins in our midst--haven't rejected the old way. They merely pursue the old way with the attention it deserves, namely sensible topic selection, a mature understanding of the institutional voice and, most of all, good writing, which, sadly, is not a skill that automatically is imbued with the oxygen in the editorial page suite.
So let some people destroy the editorial page in the same way the iconoclasts bashed religious artworks throughout Europe, destroying priceless art under the guise of opposing superstition. For my money, and speaking from day-to-day feedback about the value of a traditional editorial page and the philosophy of institutional opinions, it would be a mistake to condemn editorial pages to oblivion just because the custodians thereof, in some places, have allowed this treasure to erode and decay through their own lack of writing ability, courage, or application.
MUSTAFA MALIK, Cheverly, Maryland Cheverly is a town in central Maryland, just outside Washington, D.C.. The town was founded in 1918 and it was incorporated in 1931. Cheverly has 6,433 Residents as of the 2000 census.
It is one of the few cities in Prince George's County that has its own police force. : Some of our old traditions are of course still the best. Aren't we glad, though, that we've outgrown most others (and are embarrassed to remember some)? I tend to think that the decline of journalism in opinion polls and of the circulation of our major newspapers is calling for some soul-searching about the journalistic tradition. That includes editorial and opinion writing. I admire Kinsley because he's doing some serious soul-searching. Obviously, many editorial and opinion pages are popular with their readers and don't need any changes.