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Size doesn't matter? Don't you believe it. With $223 billion in assets under management Assets Under Management (AUM) is a term used by financial services companies in the mutual fund and money management or investment management business to gauge how much money they are managing. , TIAA-CREF TIAA-CREF Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association - College Retirement Equities Fund  is the largest portable pension system in the world - which gives it plenty of market clout. So when The Teachers calls on you to discuss corporate governance Corporate Governance

The relationship between all the stakeholders in a company. This includes the shareholders, directors, and management of a company, as defined by the corporate charter, bylaws, formal policy, and rule of law.
, you might want to pay attention.

For a vulture vulture, common name for large birds of prey of temperate and tropical regions. The Old World vultures (family Accipitridae) are allied to hawks and eagles; the more ancient American vultures and condors are of a different family (Cathartidae) with distant links to , John Biggs For other persons named John Biggs, see John Biggs (disambiguation).

John Biggs is a Labour Party politician and member of the London Assembly representing City and East London. He is a former leader of the London Borough of Tower Hamlets.
 is a pretty nice guy, says John Bogle John Clifton "Jack" Bogle (born May 8, 1929 in Verona, New Jersey)[1] is the founder and retired CEO of The Vanguard Group. He attended Blair Academy on a full scholarship, earned his undergraduate degree from Princeton University in 1951, and attended evening and , chairman and chief executive of Vanguard Fund.

A backhanded compliment A backhanded compliment or left-handed compliment or is an insult disguised as a compliment. It is generally used to belittle or condescend, or often one uses a backhanded compliment when one wants to insult someone in a subtle way. ? Well, not quite. "I was speaking at the American Life Insurance Council about the future of financial services The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.
Please [ improve this article] or discuss the issue on the talk page.
," recounts Bogle bo·gle  
n.
A hobgoblin; a bogey.



[Scots bogill, perhaps ultimately from Welsh bwg, ghost, hobgoblin.
. "I told the insurance company presidents, 'You will have to get costs down because there are a lot of vultures around who will take this business away from you.' Then I spotted John, so I pointed and said, 'One of them is right there.' But I meant it as a high compliment.' My next sentence was, 'And Vanguard is another.'"

Viewed a scant decade ago as a stodgy stodg·y  
adj. stodg·i·er, stodg·i·est
1.
a. Dull, unimaginative, and commonplace.

b. Prim or pompous; stuffy:
 dowager DOWAGER. A widow endowed; one who has a jointure.
     2. In England, this is a title or addition given to the widows of princes, dukes, earls, and other noblemen.
 whose main virtue was ranking as the world's largest private pension fund, Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association-College Retirement Equities Fund (TIAA-CREF) has since straggled to overcome a legacy of lethargy lethargy /leth·ar·gy/ (leth´ar-je)
1. a lowered level of consciousness, with drowsiness, listlessness, and apathy.

2. a condition of indifference.


leth·ar·gy
n.
1.
. The company originally founded in 1918 by Andrew Carnegie to provide retirement security for educators gradually evolved into a huge pension system with two arms: TIAA TIAA Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association
TIAA Travel Industry Association of America
TIAA This Is An Acronym
TIAA Texas Insurance Advisory Association (statistical reporting agency in Texas)
TIAA Total Inactive Aircraft Authorization
, an insurance company for people employed in higher education higher education

Study beyond the level of secondary education. Institutions of higher education include not only colleges and universities but also professional schools in such fields as law, theology, medicine, business, music, and art.
 and research, and CREF CREF College Retirement Equities Fund
CREF Cross Reference
CREF Connection Refused
CREF Computer Ready Electronic Files
CREF Capital Region Energy Forum
CREF Computer Resources Evaluation Facility
CREF Centre de Recherche en Ecologie et Forestrie
, a pension system offering eight variable annuity Variable Annuity

An insurance contract in which, at the end of the accumulation stage, the insurance company guarantees a minimum payment. The remaining income payments can vary depending on the performance of the managed portfolio.
 accounts, including the CREF stock account - the largest single-managed equity fund in the world.

Today, TIAA-CREF continues to be a mega-player in the institutional investor Institutional Investor

A non-bank person or organization that trades securities in large enough share quantities or dollar amounts that they qualify for preferential treatment and lower commissions.
 game, its $223 billion arsenal of assets under management outgunning the holdings of the second and third biggest U.S. pension management entities, the California Public Employees' Retirement System (CalPERS), which has $127 billion in assets, and the New York New York, state, United States
New York, Middle Atlantic state of the United States. It is bordered by Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and the Atlantic Ocean (E), New Jersey and Pennsylvania (S), Lakes Erie and Ontario and the Canadian province of
 State Common Retirement Fund, with assets of $96 billion. But a lot of other things have changed for the company commonly known as "The Teachers."

As the only defined contribution plan Defined contribution plan

A pension plan whose sponsor is responsible only for making specified contributions into the plan on behalf of qualifying participants. Related: Defined benefit plan
 on most campuses, TIAA-CREF enjoyed a virtual monopoly for the bulk of its lifespan. Only when some universities began to allow in competitors like Fidelity, Vanguard, and Scudder during the late '80s did The Teachers offer participants greater flexibility and a wider range of investment options, including a stock index fund, growth stocks, bonds, global equities, and a money-market fund money-market fund, type of mutual fund that invests in high-yielding, short-term money-market instruments, such as U.S. government securities, commercial paper, and certificates of deposit. .

TIAA-CREF's next wake-up call came last year, when the Taxpayer Relief Act removed the company's 80-year tax exemption tax exemption, immunity from the requirement of paying taxes. Federal, state, and usually local law provide exemption from taxation for a wide variety of organizations, usually not-for-profit, such as churches, colleges, universities, health care providers, various , a radical shift in status that affected every investment in the company's then-$91 billion TIAA portfolio. The move was a mixed blessing mixed blessing
Noun

an event or situation with both advantages and disadvantages

mixed blessing n it's a mixed blessing → tiene su lado bueno y su lado malo

 for The Teachers, bringing with it the challenge of paying the new tax without decreasing participants' annuity payments, but also freeing the company to explore new market segments.

"We couldn't even offer IRAs to our participants when we were tax exempt," explains Biggs, who began his career in actuarial ac·tu·ar·y  
n. pl. ac·tu·ar·ies
A statistician who computes insurance risks and premiums.



[Latin
 management at General America Life Insurance Co. in 1958. Having subsequently served as president and CEO (1) (Chief Executive Officer) The highest individual in command of an organization. Typically the president of the company, the CEO reports to the Chairman of the Board.  of Centerre Trust Co. and vice chancellor vice chancellor  
n. Abbr. VC
1. A deputy or an assistant chancellor in a university.

2. A deputy to or a substitute for a head of state or an official bearing the title chancellor.

3.
 for administration and finance at Washington University Washington University, at St. Louis, Mo.; coeducational; est. as Eliot Seminary 1853, opened 1854, renamed 1857. It has a well-known medical school and school of social work as well as research centers for radiology, space studies, engineering computing, and the , Biggs had experience in both insurance and education by the time he joined TIAA-CREF as president and COO in 1989. The 62-year-old has been shepherding TIAA-CREF through transition as its chairman and CEO since 1993, and is quick to reaffirm re·af·firm  
tr.v. re·af·firmed, re·af·firm·ing, re·af·firms
To affirm or assert again.



re
 the company's commitment to shunning high-risk investments. "We should never have a product that can blow up a customer," he asserts. "That's okay for Fidelity to do; they have a different customer base and relationship."

The Teachers has won high marks for the performance [TABULAR DATA OMITTED] and low-fee structure of the series of new offerings spawned by its change in tax status, which include a retail real estate fund and a family of six mutual funds (see table, above). Like the company's CREF stock account, which minimizes risk by investing in a broad range of stocks, the open-end mutual funds are long-term oriented, trim costs by limiting trading, and avoid high-risk actions.

"I probably have more respect for TIAA-CREF than for any other firm in this business," says Bogle, who notes that communicating its new funds to the retail marketplace may be the company's biggest challenge. "It may take a few years, but there's no doubt in my mind that they will become a major factor in the mutual fund industry. They have a sensible investment strategy - index-oriented, playing down the middle, and running at a very low cost. They will be tough competition for us."

Bogle speaks of his fellow vulture with equal enthusiasm. "I like the cut of his jib," he says. "John Biggs is a solid citizen. He's a gentleman. He's got a good mind, and a tremendous sense of personal integrity."

Unlike CalPERS' in-your-face approach to dictating appropriate governance principles, The Teachers takes a kinder, gentler stance. "Our idea is that we can probably do more good by going out to see as many of our portfolio companies as we can," says Biggs.

But the behind-the-scenes effort hasn't precluded public skirmishes altogether. Three occasions over the past year saw TIAA-CREF flexing its institutional muscles to protect the value of its investments - filing a shareholder resolution urging Walt Disney Noun 1. Walt Disney - United States film maker who pioneered animated cartoons and created such characters as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck; founded Disneyland (1901-1966)
Disney, Walter Elias Disney
 Co. to restructure its board, rounding up proxies and turning out the entire board of directors at cafeteria company Furr's/Bishop's, and negotiating reforms at ERAMET, a recently privatized French company.

"We have a fairly standard set of corporate governance standards," explains Biggs. "But when those easy ones are violated we have to take a position,"

The great bull run of the past 16 years spawned a succession of such shareholder initiatives. But how will heightened institutional investor activism fare amid the continuing turbulence of today's market? And will The Teachers continue to make the grade?

In a recent meeting at TIAA-CREF's New York City New York City: see New York, city.
New York City

City (pop., 2000: 8,008,278), southeastern New York, at the mouth of the Hudson River. The largest city in the U.S.
 headquarters, CE asked John Biggs about his views on these issues and others affecting today's marketplace - as well as how TIAA-CREF plans to dodge the bouncing Dow.

- Jennifer Pellet

BEARING UP

How is a conservative pension system like TIAA-CREF coping with the kind of volatile market that brought Long Term Capital Management to its knees?

CREF financial, which oversees our stock, is comprised of half academic superstars and half money management superstars. We wouldn't get snookered by a naive, academic argument like those guys did. Long Term Capital had brilliant people who [except for John Meriwether John W. Meriwether (born August 10, 1947 in Chicago, Illinois) is an American financial executive on Wall Street seen as a pioneer of fixed income arbitrage.

John Meriwether earned an undergraduate business degree from Northwestern University and an MBA degree from the
] did not have deep roots in actually managing money. It's very easy to be swept along by what derivatives can do. That's what happened to Bankers Trust The Bankers Trust is a historic American banking organisation that was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1998.

It was originally set up when banks could not perform trust company services.
. But we use derivatives in an appropriate and cautious way, mainly taking risk out of the portfolios and as hedges on currency. We've been inoculated.

First Asia collapses, then Russia and Brazil start to fall. What's your take on the international market?

I find myself very uneasy about what's going on What's Going On is a record by American soul singer Marvin Gaye. Released on May 21, 1971 (see 1971 in music), What's Going On reflected the beginning of a new trend in soul music.  elsewhere. Japan is a really frightening mystery to us. There's legitimate grounds for real concern at this point. I was in London over Labor Day Labor Day, holiday celebrated in the United States and Canada on the first Monday in September to honor the laborer. It was inaugurated by the Knights of Labor in 1882 and made a national holiday by the U.S. Congress in 1894.  weekend for our annual theater fix and, my God, to read European newspapers, it isn't what the market's doing, it's whether there's an international depression coming.

We have a growth fund that's had a good record, but a lot of people want emerging markets funds and aggressive growth. If somebody wants that kind of fund, they ought to invest someplace some·place  
adv. & n.
Somewhere: "I didn't care where I was from so long as it was someplace else" Garrison Keillor. See Usage Note at everyplace.
 else. We do a better job with a core fixed-income type of investment.

How do you plan to manage risk in an increasingly stormy market?

In terms of our investment strategies, we let the participants decide where they want to have their money. And if they elect to have it in a growth stock fund, we will have that virtually 100 percent invested. So the only place where it would befit be·fit  
tr.v. be·fit·ted, be·fit·ting, be·fits
To be suitable to or appropriate for: formal attire that befits the occasion.
 us to take a position is to say that this may be a time where participants want to consider changing their allocations.

My advice to anyone now is to have assets in different asset classes to get ready for whatever turbulence we've got coming. You should have a big stock position - 60 percent or 70 percent because the returns will be good. Retirement's a long-term investing horizon. I would never recommend going all cash. Even for a person who's risk averse Risk Averse

Describes an investor who, when faced with two investments with a similar expected return (but different risks), will prefer the one with the lower risk.

Notes:
A risk averse person dislikes risk.
, we would never go below 25 percent in stocks. Conversely, 75 percent is the top.

I would also say don't do anything suddenly. I have a good friend who called Fidelity at 1 a.m. and put in a sell order for his entire portfolio. That kind of thing is financial suicide. People did it after '87 and lived to regret it. So we urge people really uncomfortable with where they are now to lighten up Lighten up

Selling some part of a stock or bond position in a portfolio to realize capital gains or to losses or increase cash assets.


lighten up 
 and put some money into real estate accounts that have different investment patterns or in inflation index bonds that have liquidity and transferability.

The products we have brought out in recent years have been alternative investment products that let people diversify. We brought out a retail real estate fund in 1994 that now has more than $1 billion in it. We brought out an inflation index bond account that has kind of an interesting different pattern altogether from typical bonds or stocks. We had not brought out a new stock fund for about five years, so that's an implicit message to diversify.

How has the loss of TIAA-CREF's tax-exempt status affected your business?

One week after President Clinton signed that law, we announced our IRA Ira, in the Bible
Ira (ī`rə), in the Bible.

1 Chief officer of David.

2,

3 Two of David's guard.
IRA, abbreviation
IRA.
 products and within one month, we had $100 million. We announced a family of mutual funds in fall of 1997. We also started creating a trust company subsidiary. We have 20,000 participants that have more than $1 million with TIAA-CREF and those people are calling in with estate planning Estate Planning

The overall planning of a person's wealth, including the preparation of a will and the planning of taxes after the individual's death.

Notes:
Contrary to popular belief, estate planning involves much more than preparing a will, and it is not only for the
 questions. We've surveyed them and they all have about an equal amount of assets outside TIAA-CREF mutual funds and other investments. We don't want the $10 million fortune. It's not going to be a walk-your-dog trust company. We used the thrift loophole An omission or Ambiguity in a legal document that allows the intent of the document to be evaded.

Loopholes come into being through the passage of statutes, the enactment of regulations, the drafting of contracts or the decisions of courts.
, so it's a savings bank savings bank, financial institution that, until recently, performed only the following functions: receiving savings deposits of individuals, investing them, and providing a modest return to its depositors in the form of interest. , and it's national. We've based it in St. Louis and we're going to have a telephone center and most of the relationship will be questions over the telephone.

We have finally gotten through the regulatory hurdles in June and it's open

and the business is coming in very nicely.

AN APPLE FOR THE TEACHERS

You've recently been designated the trustee of the Family Tuition Accounts by New York State. Is this a harbinger har·bin·ger  
n.
One that indicates or foreshadows what is to come; a forerunner.

tr.v. har·bin·gered, har·bin·ger·ing, har·bin·gers
To signal the approach of; presage.
 of new areas of business?

Absolutely. We couldn't have done the New York tuition savings plan while we were tax exempt. That's a great business for us that will change the way people save for college, and we're competing for other states. Under the New York plan, each parent can put in $5,000 for each kid, up to $100,000, that pays for expensive college education, completely tax-exempt at the state level and tax deferred at the federal level. We have a rather modest projection that it will be $1 billion in three years, but it could be a lot bigger.

At the same time, we've negotiated with a consortium of more than 100 private schools on a tuition guarantee plan so that you can pay in money now and guarantee the tuition at the current rates for the future. You don't get any investment returns. The school gets the investment return, so if the investment is better than the tuition rate increases, the school wins.

Is managing 401K programs for companies in your gameplan?

No, I don't think so. For-profit companies do that, whereas we might take on the 401K of a not-for-profit firm. It's a question of how big - and how diversified - you want to be. My feeling is that we will be most successful by concentrating on our market of two million people and keeping our roots in academia and our style and values arriving out of that.

We're comparable in some ways to the United States United States, officially United States of America, republic (2005 est. pop. 295,734,000), 3,539,227 sq mi (9,166,598 sq km), North America. The United States is the world's third largest country in population and the fourth largest country in area.  Automobile Association Automobile Association may refer to:
  • Australian Automobile Association in Australia.
  • Canadian Automobile Association in Canada.
  • Dominion Automobile Association in Canada.
  • Western India Automobile Association (WIAA) in India.
 (USAA USAA United Services Automobile Association
USAA Urban Superintendents Association of America
USAA United States Achievement Academy
USAA United States Arbitration Act of 1925
USAA United States Axemen's Association
USAA United States Air-Table-Hockey Association
) [insurance provider for military personnel] in terms of the kinds of service we offer and the customer loyalty we have. I think USAA made a mistake by going with products that are not as good as their core products. Our feeling is that if we're not in the top 5 percentile percentile,
n the number in a frequency distribution below which a certain percentage of fees will fall. E.g., the ninetieth percentile is the number that divides the distribution of fees into the lower 90% and the upper 10%, or that fee level
 with a product, we shouldn't be in that business. We could lose the confidence of our customers. We don't want to try to be all things to all people. If it's not something we can consider worthy independent of our other offerings, let the people get it someplace else.

Why would someone choose your six trust funds as opposed to the hundreds of options offered by Fidelity or Vanguard?

We came into the mutual fund business with a Vanguard-type product in terms of expenses. Everybody else is charging 1 percent to 1.5 percent for asset management. Our funds are all at 35 and 45 basis points. We have an international mutual fund that has a 45 basis point charge. You can't buy that anywhere else. But that's consistent with being not-for-profit.

Having a concentrated size also distinguishes us from the others because we can keep our expenses very low. We have fewer funds, but they're huge, so the actual administration and operation is a lot cheaper. If our funds don't get to be $1 billion in size, we get very concerned. So I'm very conservative when it comes to adding funds. Right now we're debating whether we want to add a municipal bond fund Municipal Bond Fund

A mutual fund that invests in municipal bonds, operating either as an investment trust or as an open-end fund.

Notes:
Because the bonds are local government issues, they usually help to maximize tax-exempt income.
, and whether we can do it at 25 basis point charges. Nobody else in the market offers that, so we're trying to see if we can do it.

What's your investment strategy?

The best way I can describe what we do is by talking about the growth fund that we started last fall with $50 million from TIAA as seed money. We immediately indexed that $50 million to the Russell 2000 and then used an enhanced index approach that should give us an extra quarter percent to half percent return over the pure index. But it's an actively managed fund so that as the money came into it, the portfolio manager invests when he can beat the Russell 2000 growth index. When he can't, he just puts it back into the enhanced index. We describe it as an accordion accordion, musical instrument consisting of a rectangular bellows expanded and contracted between the hands. Buttons or keys operated by the player open valves, allowing air to enter or to escape. The air sets in motion free reeds, frequently made of metal. , the index fund. Today, probably 60 percent of that growth fund is in active positions, but the guy running it doesn't have to immediately go in, as a typical mutual fund manager does, and spread the money out on a bunch of investments. He's got his core and if he can't beat the index, he shouldn't be there. So it's a different style and it's worked wonderfully for us.

Shareholder power grew Immensely during the great bull run of the past 16 years. Can it survive in a bear market?

Why not? We're not as aggressive as some in advocating shareholder value; we respect companies' other obligations. I don't think any company should ever exploit any one of its constituencies for the benefit of others. I don't think we ever push to exploit employees or the community, for the benefit of the shareholders, but directors have a fiduciary duty Noun 1. fiduciary duty - the legal duty of a fiduciary to act in the best interests of the beneficiary
legal duty - acts which the law requires be done or forborne
 to put the shareholders first.

We're frequently lenders on the fixed income side, so where I'm particularly sensitive and where we intervene is when the bondholders haven't had the benefits of the shareholders. A lot of people will say, "If we can take it out of the bondholders and give it to the shareholders, it's our fiduciary duty to do that," but that's just fundamentally wrong. The automatic statement that shareholder value is all we're here to produce can lead to the most corrupt action by a company; people get carried away by it. Once you've given your public shareholders their 15 percent growth and earnings, you can relax. We don't have to give them 40 percent or 60 percent or 80 percent.

Do you see stock options as diluting future earnings?

A sensible program is a good program. I of the value of the company? The stock options piling up in companies induces the management to take this aggressive stance that all that matters is getting the stock price up. Customer satisfaction, good products, being a good citizen, running a good company that's successful all get suppressed by this drive towards option compensation and shareholder value.

CREF doesn't have any stock options. We're a general trust, not-for-profit organization. But we have a compensation system that's focused on participant value, so that if we do a good job in service and if we provide good investment performance for our customers, then our employees get rewarded. Having that single focus - our customers - creates a very different kind of company. Customers aren't a means to enrich yourself; you're trying to enrich them.
ASSETS UNDER MANAGEMENT

As of September 30, 1998
($000,000)

TIAA Annuities

General Account                     $98,632
Stock Index Separate Account            622
Real Estate Separate Account          1,048
Total TIAA                         $100,311

CREF Annuities

Stock Account                       $97,211
Social Choice Account                 2,755
Global Equities Account               5,135
Growth Account                        5,624
Equity Index Account                  2,678
Money Market Account                  5,586
Bond Market Account                   2,682
Inflation-Linked Bond Account           130

Total CREF                         $121,800

TIAA-CREF Mutual Funds

Growth Equity                          $205
Growth & Income                         166
International Equity                     93
Bond Plus                               129
Money Market                            119
Managed Allocation                      129

Total Mutual Funds                     $772

TIAA-CREF Trust Company                 $75

Total Assets Under Management      $222,591

* The sum of the individual accounts may add up to
the totals shown due to various consolations,
eliminations, and other accounting adjustments.

SOURCE: Company Reports


What's your take on the CEO compensation Issue and the pay-for-performance trend?

A lot of places have gone overboard, and that is a concern. We've always said, if you're going to have these big awards, you'd better have a good process that's open and fair. We filed a vigorous shareholder resolution at Walt Disney Co. on board independence, fought hard, and got quite a vote. My hunch hunch  
n.
1. An intuitive feeling or a premonition: had a hunch that he would lose.

2. A hump.

3. A lump or chunk: "She . . .
 is that the Ovitz deal and the Eisner deal are good deals for the shareholders and probably within the market for those people. But to have Eisner's personal lawyer chair the compensation committee does not give me confidence. The company had him step down as chairman while he negotiated Eisner's contract, but then as soon as the negotiations ended, he stepped back on. It seems to me if you're going to have an award with an actual value of $100 million, you ought to be sure you have an independent group of people making the decision.

Whenever we see a big award, we ask questions about the quality of the board, and if we're not satisfied, we'll take action. But we're not crusaders on compensation. We can't be. With 2,200 companies, how do you tell if this guy really deserves what he's getting? We can't be smart enough to go in and say what's right and what's wrong, but we can go in and have a good representative group for shareholders.

BOARDROOM LESSONS

Do you take issue with firms that use aggressive accounting to boost earnings?

I get concerned when we find a token rubber-stamp audit committee. CEOs ought to make sure they've got good people on their boards to staff the audit committees. We've had a couple of battles over independence. Nucor Steel was a wonderful company, with wonderful results and a chairman with a gutsy guts·y  
adj. guts·i·er, guts·i·est Slang
1. Marked by courage or daring; plucky.

2. Robust and uninhibited; lusty: "the gutsy . . .
 way of doing business. But in the interest of saving money, he didn't pay his board. He had a nominal board that met the stock exchange's definition, but it never met. The audit committee consisted of the former treasurer of Nucor. That's a fundamental investor protection that we as shareholders ought to have - somebody good and independent in a company, who will make sure financial statements are reliable.

Nucor at least performed. Irregularities surfaced at companies like Sunbeam, Cendant, Livent, and Oxford, all of which had fully staffed boards. When you see that kind of thing, do you get mad as hell and not want to take it anymore?

We do, but the problem is we have about 2,200 American companies in our portfolio. We have a corporate governance audit procedure. We visit as many companies as we can, have a CEO conversation, and nose into things like the audit committee, the nominating committee A nominating committee is a group formed usually from inside the membership of an organization for the purpose of nominating candidates for office within the organization. It works similarly to an electoral college, the main difference being that the available candidates, either  process, and who's on the board. We have Ken West, the former CEO of a Midwestern bank, who goes out and talks to firms about their practices. There's a whole army of corporate governance issues where we can probably do more good than having a media-driven kind of program to kind of scare people.

Dale Hanson really did a lot for corporate governance with CalPERS' 10 Worst Boards list. They were very public, and given their resources, that was probably the best way for them to go. But for us, going and seeing individual companies is better. Most of the time we come out and say, more power to you.

How do you determine which of the 2,200 firms to probe?

We have a database that we carefully developed in the last few years with all the characteristics that we get from public material on a company's corporate governance. For instance, we'll have every one of the anti-takeover defenses Noun 1. anti-takeover defense - resistance to or defense against a hostile takeover
opposition, resistance - the action of opposing something that you disapprove or disagree with; "he encountered a general feeling of resistance from many citizens"; "despite
 they have. There are about six defenses, and if a company has all six, that gets noted and we may go after them on their poison pill A defensive strategy based on issuing special stock that is used to deter aggressors in corporate takeover attempts.

The poison pill is a defensive strategy used against corporate takeovers.
 process. Whereas if a company has none of that, but they have a poison pill, we'll forget them.

You flied a brief addressing shareholder concerns in the AMP/AlliedSignal case.

We're not taking sides with Allied or AMP on economic issues - we're big shareholders in both of them - but AMP has a poison pill that's got to offend anybody. It's called the Dead End pill. If the shareholders vote out the board that's there and elect a new board, the new board does not have the right to redeem the poison pill. The only board that can redeem the poison pill is the one that's there currently. That's the Dead End. It's the ultimate form of outrageous takeover defense takeover defense

See shark repellent.
. To say that the new board can't redeem the pill is to make it absolutely impossible for anyone ever to buy the company for the shareholder's benefit.

You also took issue with the management at Furr's/Bishop's. Why all that trouble over a small chain of cafeterias?

We would have done that with any company that did to us what Furr's/Bishop's did to us. What started out as a loan got converted into a stock position and we ended up owning 17 percent of the company. Then management did some extraordinarily outrageous things. The CEO put in a golden parachute golden parachute, a contract given to top executives of a corporation to provide benefits in case of job loss due to a takeover by another firm or a merger. The unusually generous benefits may include substantial severance pay, a one-time bonus payment when  and special provisions to protect himself and take a big salary out of the company. It was self-enrichment, basically. Various factions within the board were at war and the stock was going straight south. So we got proxies from the institutional shareholders, which made up about 80 percent of the ownership, and the Ma and Pa folks too. We voted out the whole damn board and put in a new board. The new board fired the management. Now we think it can be salvaged.

What happened in France with the management of ERAMET?

The French government had privatized ERAMET, but kept a major stake in it. Then the French government had a local problem with a group of people and the way they solved it was to give them a mine that belonged to ERAMET, so we intervened and said, "You can't do that, the shareholders own that mine and there has to be some kind of recompensation. You've got to buy it from us at the original price and then give it to them." These Europeans had never thought about that, so it was an interesting contest of American versus European values.

So you're taking your governance principles across the Atlantic?

Most of our overseas efforts have been at the market level and the government-regulation level an annual visit, say, in France with the regulators, the security market people, and the government officials. We think that's more effective than the company-by-company battles at this point because the little resources we can bring to bear have more play at that governmental level.

There's been steady progress. I think the success of American corporate governance has not been ignored by the Europeans, nor the Japanese. They're beginning to think that there may be something to Anglo-American governance. We're really making headway toward international standards.

How will the euro affect your non-U.S. portfolio? Have you switched from Investing by country to investing to by sector?

We did that about a year ago, and it's a good approach toward investing. On a technical level, just getting our systems corrected so we can handle the dual expression of every bond. Most of what we have in the TIAA life insurance side is dollar denominated, but at CREF we ordinarily don't hedge what we have in stock in dollars, so we have a currency risk, and that's a concern.

Have you ever thought of allying with pension funds in Europe to push for changes in, for example, the utility sector in Europe or France's industrial sector?

We did have some allies among the European institutional investors on the ERAMET case. But we try to be as independent as possible, so we wouldn't have any formal links with any European group. I'm frightened by this public specter of a bunch of us getting together and beginning to march in and say, okay, we're going to tell you how to run your company. We think it's risky for the really big players to get together and form common policies.
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