Portia heart & soul: in an intimate interview, Arrested Development star Portia de Rossi talks for the first time about sex at 16, coming out to grandma, and finding happiness with Ellen DeGeneres.
Portia de Rossi Portia de Rossi, born Amanda Lee Rogers on January 31, 1973, is an Australian actress who is best known for her roles as lawyer Nelle Porter on the television series Ally McBeal and as Lindsay Bluth Fünke on the television series Arrested Development. must be a good actress, because in person she doesn't resemble at all the two TV characters she's most known for. She's neither the frosty frost·y
adj. frost·i·er, frost·i·est
1. Producing or characterized by frost; freezing. See Synonyms at cold.
2. Covered with or as if with frost.
3. Silvery white; hoary.
4. , stiff-backed lawyer Nelle Porter from Ally McBeal For the character, see .
Ally McBeal is an award-winning American television series which ran on the FOX network from 1997 to 2002. The series was created by David E. Kelley, who also served as the executive producer, along with Bill D'Elia. nor the spoiled, narcissistic nar·cis·sism also nar·cism
1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in O.C. rich girl Lindsay Bluth Funke from Arrested Development. Instead, as she comes to greet The Advocate at the back gate of a small, handsomely decorated house in a Los Angeles Los Angeles (lôs ăn`jələs, lŏs, ăn`jəlēz'), city (1990 pop. 3,485,398), seat of Los Angeles co., S Calif.; inc. 1850. canyon--a sort of outbuilding outbuilding n. a structure not connected with the primary residence on a parcel of property. This may include a shed, garage, barn, cabana, pool house, or cottage. next door to the grand dwelling where she lives with Ellen DeGeneres--she appears warm, down-to-earth, and remarkably more attractive without makeup and wearing just a simple white tank top and loose white pants, her long blond hair in a single braid.
Surprise 2: She has no trace of an Australian accent, even though she was born and raised Down Under. (She trained herself out of it in the 10 years she's been in Los Angeles, having come to live here after her debut film role in Sirens, a 1994 Aussie flick in which she costarred with Hugh Grant and Elle Macpherson Elle Macpherson (born Eleanor Nancy Gow, 29 March, 1964) is an Australian supermodel and actress. She is most famous worldwide for her five cover appearances on Sports Illustrated's swimsuit issue in the 1980s and 1990s. .)
Surprise 3: In her first-ever interview with the gay press, she's decided to give an unabashed, no-holds-barred account of her long struggle to come to grips with being a lesbian. "I've had my years of being not open, many years of it," she says. "It's an honor for me to do this; it's just nice to be asked."
Finally, no surprise: Although neither Portia nor Ellen has jumped up and down on Oprah's couch proclaiming their love, even a passing glimpse of them together confirms it: They're crazy about each other and deeply content in the relationship that began in December after VH1's Big in '04 awards show.
For De Rossi, that contentment Contentment
poor peasant said by the Delphic oracle to be happier than the king because he was contented. [Gk. Myth.: Benét, 15] has obviously helped her come all the way out of the closet she's been peeking out from for the past five years. Yep, she's really gay, and fans of DeGeneres don't have to worry that this actress-girlfriend will pull an Anne Heche and rediscover Re`dis`cov´er
v. t. 1. To discover again.
Verb 1. rediscover - discover again; "I rediscovered the books that I enjoyed as a child" her heterosexuality het·er·o·sex·u·al·i·ty
Erotic attraction, predisposition, or sexual behavior between persons of the opposite sex.
Shortly into our interview--held on a screened-in lanai Lanai (lənī`), island, 141 sq mi (365 sq km), central Hawaii, W of Maui island across the Auau Channel; Mt. Lanaihale (3,370 ft/1,027 m) is the island's highest point. For many years the island was used for sugarcane raising and cattle grazing. overlooking a peaceful canyon scene--Portia reveals that she's just come out to the final person in her family who didn't know. Portia de Rossi: You think that's the end of it when you tell one or two people, "I'm gay." Then, of course, it continues throughout your life. The last person I told was my grandma, a few days ago in Australia. She's 98 1/2 years old.
The Advocate: Wow! How'd you tell her?
I wasn't planning on it, but I knew I wouldn't avoid it. So she made the mistake of asking me about my love life, and I said, "It's great. I'm very, very happy, and we've been together for eight months, and everything is wonderful." And she said, "What's his name?" And I took a deep breath and said, "Ellen DeGeneres Ellen Lee DeGeneres (born January 26, 1958) is an American stand-up comedian, actress, and currently the Emmy Award-winning host of the syndicated talk show The Ellen DeGeneres Show.
DeGeneres has hosted both the Academy Awards and the Primetime Emmys. ." And she looked really confused. "Alan?" I said, "Ellen." The talk show isn't on in Australia, but she remembered Ellen's sitcom and just remembered her as a personality, and a gay personality.
First thing she said was, "Well, this is a very bad day." It was the most honest reaction I've ever had. Then she said, "Darlin', you're not one of those." It took her two minutes of being angry and upset and frustrated frus·trate
tr.v. frus·trat·ed, frus·trat·ing, frus·trates
a. To prevent from accomplishing a purpose or fulfilling a desire; thwart: and disgusted--and then she just held her arms out to me and said, "I love you just the same." When I left Australia, my grand said, "I'd really like to meet her."
I'm crying already, my God. Four minutes in, and I'm already crying.
When paparazzi pa·pa·raz·zo
n. pl. pa·pa·raz·zi
A freelance photographer who doggedly pursues celebrities to take candid pictures for sale to magazines and newspapers. pictures were published of you and your ex, Francesca Gregorini, nearly five years ago, you never said anything to the press about being gay. But you didn't deny it either.
That was exactly my stance. The most important thing for me was to never, ever, ever deny it. But I didn't really have the courage to talk about it. I was thinking, Well, the people who need to know I'm gay know, and I'm somehow living by example by continuing on with my career and having a full, rich life, and I am incidentally gay, but it's not a big political platform. I justified it in so many ways. Believe me, I had a very, very long and difficult struggle with my sexuality.
Don't we all!
That's what I mean--there's nothing special about it.
Except when you're a public figure, it's different.
It's somewhat different because there are more people to toll. And that's the other thing--I thought, I'm out in my life, that doesn't involve my public life. I introduced Ron Howard and Brian Grazer graze 1
v. grazed, graz·ing, graz·es
1. To feed on growing grasses and herbage.
a. To eat a variety of appetizers as a full meal. [executive producers of Arrested Development] to Francesca the first time I met them.
Did your cast mates on Ally McBeal know you are gay?
I'd been on the show for about two months before we had to go to New York New York, state, United States
New York, Middle Atlantic state of the United States. It is bordered by Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and the Atlantic Ocean (E), New Jersey and Pennsylvania (S), Lakes Erie and Ontario and the Canadian province of to do press, and Greg Gormann [who played the head of the law firm on the series] and I were talking in the bar one night and he said, "There's something about you I can't quite put my finger on.... Are you gay?" Of course I stammered and stuttered and looked at the ground and went, "Uh ... uh ... uh ... maybe, I don't know Don't know (DK, DKed)
"Don't know the trade." A Street expression used whenever one party lacks knowledge of a trade or receives conflicting instructions from the other party. , I think so, I'm not sure." And he looked at me and said, "Have you struggled with it?" And to me, that was so profound, because I thought, Yeah. [Dabs at her eyes] OK, number 2. But this wasn't a full [cry]. You can say, "Wells up with tears," you can't say, "Tears were rolling down rolling down
The liquidation of an option position by an investor at the same time that he or she takes an essentially identical position with a lower strike price. her face."
So did you freak out freak out Substance abuse A verb, popularized in the US in the '60s–to experience nightmarish hallucinations including by LSD or a similar drug. See 'Bad trip.', Flashback. when those pictures of you and Francesca were published?
I did, but I was so relieved at the same time. Every single family member [except grandma], every person I worked with, everybody knew all at once. There was no turning back, and it was a relief.
What happened when you returned to the set of Ally McBeal?
David Kelley came to my dressing room and wanted to write an ar for my character where she explores having a relationship with a woman. But I said no. I felt that was exploiting me. Here I was really worried that it would be the end of my job on the show, and he was so titillated tit·il·late
v. tit·il·lat·ed, tit·il·lat·ing, tit·il·lates
1. To stimulate by touching lightly; tickle.
2. To excite (another) pleasurably, superficially or erotically. by it he wanted to write a whole character are about it.
When did you get involved with Francesca?
Toward the end of the last year on the show. I had a couple of pretty insignificant relationships before her, and when I was in college I was in a relationship with someone, but other than that I was stuck [with] a decision that it was either my career or my private life. I had left home in search of a way to support myself and my family, so I just thought it was stupid and selfish to try and have a [gay] private life when I thought it was going to jeopardize everything that I'd worked for. It was also a different time than it is now, even though it was less than 10 years ago.
And you had a boyfriend in Los Angeles?
I actually married him, for a green card. But I didn't get my green card through him--I couldn't do it at the end. We had a really great, caring relationship; it just obviously wasn't right for me. I didn't choose the fact that I was gay, but I did choose whether to live my life as a gay woman--that was the terrifying ter·ri·fy
tr.v. ter·ri·fied, ter·ri·fy·ing, ter·ri·fies
1. To fill with terror; make deeply afraid. See Synonyms at frighten.
2. To menace or threaten; intimidate. thing for me. Especially being a gay actress. I love playing all different kinds of women, and the majority of women aren't gay, so the majority of characters aren't going to be gay.
When I first read about you and Francesca, I thought, Portia de Rossi? Oh, my God, she's so glamorous! You were the last person in the world I thought was gay.
I've got to tell you, I had a hell of a time convincing people I was gay--which was so annoying! First of all, you live with the fear people might find out. Then you actually have the courage to tell people and they go, "I don't think you are gay. No, no, that doesn't seem right to me." It's enough to drive you crazy.
When did you come out to your room?
Actually, I came out to my mom three times. First at 16, when she found The Joy of Lesbian Sex under my bed. She was devastated dev·as·tate
tr.v. dev·as·tat·ed, dev·as·tat·ing, dev·as·tates
1. To lay waste; destroy.
2. To overwhelm; confound; stun: was devastated by the rude remark. .
You had that book at 16?
Damn right I did. I had to be prepared!
If you had that book at 16, when did you first start thinking about the joy of lesbian sex?
I was very, very young. I used to play husbands and wives with all my best friends and see how far they'd take it with me. I was very sexual from a very young age.
Would you be the husband or the wife?
The husband. I'd always be the one who'd be made the martini rather than having to make it--I would come home from work and my wife would have a martini for me. Which is not dissimilar to what's going on What's Going On is a record by American soul singer Marvin Gaye. Released on May 21, 1971 (see 1971 in music), What's Going On reflected the beginning of a new trend in soul music. here, by the way. [Smiles] No, just kidding.
A lot of girls might play out those roles at a young age, but it's a passing thing. Did you feel from a young age that this wasn't going to be a passing thing?
Yeah, I did. When I was about 16, I was crazy about this girl. I had a certain amount of money in the bank [from her early modeling career, beginning at age 11, in print and TV commercials] where I could put a down payment on a rental [apartment], and I went to her with sunflowers. I remember holding out these flowers and saying, "I want us to live together," and she just looked at me and said, "You don't understand what it's like to be in love with a man. This is just very childish and very trivial in comparison to being in love with a man."
A lot of models call themselves bisexual bisexual /bi·sex·u·al/ (-sek´shoo-al)
1. pertaining to or characterized by bisexuality.
2. an individual exhibiting bisexuality.
3. pertaining to or characterized by hermaphroditism.
4. , so I just hid behind that title for a very long time. I thought it was just so fun to be bisexual! It just suggests you're a fun party girl--who makes out with your best friend on the dance floor. But I knew that I was gay, I knew it. I just couldn't see myself as a gay woman, even though that's where my heart was.
So when did you first go beyond being served imaginary martinis by your girlfriends?
In high school I had sex with girls quite a few times. They were straight women who I convinced to jump in the sack with me. I did a lot of fast talking as a youth; I was pretty good at it too. I was never talked into it--I was always the one doing the talking. I just thought, This is so great and so interesting, and if only you knew how interesting this is and how great it feels! But these weren't real relationships with women who were gay--these were with women who were drunk! And they thought, It's Portia; she's not a lesbian, so I can jump in the sack with her.
When did you become Portia?
When I was 15, I changed it legally. In retrospect, I think it was largely due to my struggle about being gay. Everything just didn't fit, and I was trying to find things I could identify myself with, and it started with my name.
I picked Portia because I was a Shakespeare fan [Portia is the character in The Merchant of Venice who famously declaims, "The quality of mercy For the episode of The Twilight Zone, see .
For the episode of Babylon 5, see .
"Quality of Mercy" is an episode of The Outer Limits television show. It was first broadcast on 16 June, 1995 during the rebooted series' first season. is not strain'd / It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven."]. De Rossi because I was Australian and I thought that an exotic Italian name Names in Italian are often directly derived from Latin ones. While in Latin there were nomen, prænomen, and cognomen, in Italian there are nome and cognome, the prænomen having been absorbed by the nome. would somehow suit me more than Amanda Rogers. When you live in Australia, Europe is so far away and so fascinating, so stylish and cultured and sophisticated.
You went to college and studied law--did you really plan to be a lawyer?
Yes. I also really liked the effect it would have on macho Australian men when they'd hit on me at a bar and ask what I did. I'd turn around and say I was in law school, and they'd kind of shrivel up and go away.
But then I stumbled into acting and I just loved it. I deferred law school--and I'm still deferred.
In Sirens your character, Giddy, is innocent, naive, almost a dumb blond. But in your TV roles you've been much more knowing and tough--and you were certainly icy on Ally McBeal. How did you get channeled into those sort of roles?
That character on Ally McBeal was the most difficult one I've ever played. I don't naturally sit or stand or walk or hold my head the way she did. That sounds so actorly, but it's true--I had to consciously make sure my head was straight, because my natural being is to slouch slouch
v. slouched, slouch·ing, slouch·es
1. To sit, stand, or walk with an awkward, drooping, excessively relaxed posture.
2. To droop or hang carelessly, as a hat.
v. . It was four whole years of making sure I didn't shift my weight onto my left leg and put my hand on my hip.
It's funny, I think everyone is typecast except for me! I look at Arrested Development and think, I can kind of see elements [of the actor in each character]--except for me. I'm nothing like Lindsay! Which is ridiculous, because obviously I am.
With her gray suit and platinum pulled-back hair, Nelle reminded me of Kim Novak in Vertigo.
That's exactly who I had in mind--that's weird, no one ever said that to me before! That's one of my favorite My Favorite is an independent synthpop band from Long Island, New York. They released two CDs: Love at Absolute Zero and Happiest Days of Our Lives. My Favorite broke up on September 14, 2005, when singer Andrea Vaughn left the band. movies, and she's the most amazing a·maze
v. a·mazed, a·maz·ing, a·maz·es
1. To affect with great wonder; astonish. See Synonyms at surprise.
2. Obsolete To bewilder; perplex.
v.intr. actress--she is so glamorous.
Just then, Ellen DeGeneres pulls up in a black Porsche (guess she likes that name!). "There's my girl," says De Rossi. Ellen, wearing jeans and a green T-shirt, enters the house with a bag of tomatoes from her mom, Betty, and she and Portia share a l-o-o-ong kiss. Portia tells her that she's already cried a couple of times, and when Ellen leaves for their house next door she says, "Call me if you need me. If she makes you cry again."
You're obviously happy.
I'm very happy. I'm happier than I ever, ever thought I could be. Yeah. She's incredible.
I should get this next question out of the way now ...
I just have to stop you--thank God that question isn't, "Are you gay?" Because I've had so many interviews where the last question is, "Are you gay?" I had to find very creative ways to say that I was gay, but that I wasn't going to talk about it. But please, Well, having been in my fair share of relationships, I know that when people seem to break up all of a sudden, it's never all of a sudden. Something's been wrong for a long time and people haven't admitted it. But when people saw you and Ellen break up with the women you were with [Ellen had been with Alexandra Hedison Alexandra Mary Hedison (born July 10, 1969 in Los Angeles, California) is an American actress, playing in the series The L Word on Showtime. She is the daughter of actor David Hedison and actress Bridget Hedison and the sister of Serena Rose Hedison Trivia
Well. [Sighs, then answers slowly and carefully] There are many different layers to this. I had met Ellen about five years ago, and there was definitely a lot of chemistry between us, but I didn't allow myself to think of being with her just because of the place I was at. I was still on Ally McBeal and still closeted clos·et·ed
Being In a state of secrecy or cautious privacy. , and this seemed inconceivable. But I really never stopped thinking about her, because I just haven't felt that kind of energy with anyone in my life. So there's that.
I had a great relationship with Francesca. But I just kind of knew deep down in my heart that there was the possibility of something more. And that's it, really. I think that we really weren't suited for each other for a long period of time; I think we were [suited] for the time we were together. We have very different backgrounds and interests, and there's a lot we had to kind of make work. But we still had great respect and love for each other.
Then I ran into Ellen at a photo shoot about a year ago and she took my breath away. That had never happened to me in my life, where I saw somebody and [experienced] all of those things you hear about in songs and read about in poetry. My knees were weak. It was amazing. And it was very hard for me to get her out of my mind after that. And then when I saw her again that night [at the VH1 awards show] we started talking and that's that. We just were kind of supposed to be together. That's my side of the story. I really, really hated all the pain I put Francesca through, and I really didn't want to hurt her. But I just couldn't ignore the feelings I had for Ellen.
Did you ever talk to Ellen beforehand about what you'd have to deal with--how getting together with her would force you to be very publicly out?
Not before. My feelings for her overrode o·ver·rode
Past tense of override. all of my fear about being out as a lesbian. I had to be with her, and I just figured I'd deal with the other stuff later. [Pauses] It's hard having a relationship that's public. It's hard living a life that's somewhat public, and hard when you put that life together with someone who is so famous and so loved and admired. It's also real exciting.
What's the exciting part?
Just being a couple--being able to walk down a red carpet holding her hand, that's exciting for me. I respect her so much. She was so courageous and so loud in '97, and now she is doing something that is more subliminal subliminal /sub·lim·i·nal/ (-lim´i-n'l) below the threshold of sensation or conscious awareness.
1. Below the threshold of conscious perception. Used of stimuli. . She's changing the world, she really is, and it's exciting to be a part of that.
Besides the chemistry, what else connects you with Ellen? You certainly must have some funny times together.
We do. And it's a very respectful, very loving, peaceful relationship. We have a lot in common; we share the same outlook on life. I really feel not alone for the first time in my life.
Since you have come so far out now, are you concerned you won't get roles that you want because you'll be somehow typecast?
No. I want the roles that are interesting and quirky quirk
1. A peculiarity of behavior; an idiosyncrasy: "Every man had his own quirks and twists" Harriet Beecher Stowe.
2. like Lindsay Bluth. I like shows that are smart like that and show runners Show runner (alternatively showrunner, or show-runner) is a term used in the United States television industry referring to the person who is responsible for the day-to-day operation of a television series, in other words, the person who who wouldn't take into consideration if I was gay or not. There's a lot that I won't do. I don't feel comfortable with sex scenes, and I don't like being "the girl" to get in a movie, and I don't like playing the sidekick The first popular popup program for DOS PCs, introduced by Borland in 1984. Sidekick included a calculator, notepad, calendar, phone dialer and ASCII table and popularized the concept of a terminate and stay resident (TSR) utility. to an action hero.
You won't do sex scenes, period?
Uh-uh. I have in the past, which is how I discovered I just didn't want to do them. I really don't think it's because I'm gay; I just find it way too compromising.
This must make Ellen happy.
Well ... yeah. I don't want to kiss somebody I don't want to kiss. It's just not worth it to me to feel compromised in that way. I don't even like watching sex scenes in movies. I have a slight prudish side to me.
You seemed to be the only woman on Ally McBeal who didn't get to kiss Calista Flockhart Calista Kay Flockhart (born on November 11, 1964) is an Emmy Award-nominated and Golden Globe-winning American actress, primarily on soap operas and television. She is perhaps best known for playing the title character of Ally McBeal (1997 - 2002). , yet I assume you were the only gay woman in the cast--that's ironic.
Believe me, I know that. And no one knew I was gay when Calista did that famous kiss with Lucy Liu Lucy Alexis Liu (Chinese: 劉玉玲; Pinyin: Liú Yùlíng; born December 2, 1968 in Queens, New York) is an Emmy Award-nominated American actress. . I couldn't believe it, that whole episode--I hated it so much. It was just so upsetting to me as a gay woman.
Would you want to play a gay role?
As long as there weren't any sex scenes.
Is a kiss OK?
What about the lesbian tickle See Tcl/Tk and tickle packet.
(text, tool) Tickle - A text editor, file translator and TCL interpreter for the Macintosh.
Version 5.0v1. The text editor breaks the 32K limit (like MPW). rub in Sirens [as her character, Giddy, lies on her back, three women surround and touch her]?
That was an entire day with three women putting their hands all over me.
Was it horrifying?
It was fantastic, are you kidding me? I mean, Elle Macpherson ... what's so bad about that? [Pauses] Yeah, I would play gay. I have turned down gay roles in the past. I actually was offered the role of the makeup artist in Gia. That was really, really early in my career, and I just couldn't imagine playing gay.
Do you know how many women would say, "You turned down doing sex scenes with Angelina Jolie!"
I know, but that's where I was at the time. I wouldn't even drive down Santa Monica Santa Monica (săn`tə mŏn`ĭkə), city (1990 pop. 86,905), Los Angeles co., S Calif., on Santa Monica Bay; inc. 1886. Tourism and retailing are important, and the city has motion-picture, biotechnology, and software industries. Boulevard [in very gay West Hollywood West Hollywood
A community of southern California northeast of Beverly Hills. It is mainly residential. Population: 36,600. , Calif.]--I'm not kidding--in fear that someone would look in the car window and think I was gay.
I remember when I got Ally McBeal, I went to [popular, now-defunct lesbian coffeehouse] Little Frida's, and it was the day before the first episode aired, and I sat there and thought, This is the last time I can actually be who I really am.
Would you want to be in a film with Ellen?
[Big smile] Yeah! I'd love to be! It would be really fun. She's a great actress, a very, very versatile actress.
What do you think of butch/femme attitudes among lesbians?
I hate that. When I finally decided to live my life as a lesbian, I felt [pressured to choose] what kind of a lesbian. "Lipstick" would be the first choice--I'm obviously quite femmy--yet I'm not really attracted to butch-looking women. What do I do? I was wearing suits for a while and really trying to look very boyish boy·ish
Characteristic of or befitting a boy: boyish charm.
boyish·ly adv. . Which is so ridiculous! I am who I am. Everyone is their own kind of lesbian. To think there's a certain way to dress or present yourself in the world is just one more stereotype we have to fit into. And I hate lipstick! I wear lip balm balm, name for any balsam resin and for several plants, e.g., the bee balm.
Any of several fragrant herbs of the mint family, particularly Melissa officinalis (balm gentle, or lemon balm), cultivated in temperate climates for its fragrant and then wipe it off. Yet I love wearing makeup when it comes to a photo shoot. I love being able to wear dresses and clothes that make me feel feminine and beautiful--and I love the fact that I don't have to all the time; I can wear a tank and jeans. The whole butch/femme thing just limits us.
Do you think people stereotype you and Ellen?
I see Ellen as very feminine--she's so compassionate and there are so many characteristics of her that are typically female. She's so caring and kind, and she's beautiful and open.
If same-sex marriage Noun 1. same-sex marriage - two people of the same sex who live together as a family; "the legal status of same-sex marriages has been hotly debated"
couple, twosome, duet, duo - a pair who associate with one another; "the engaged couple"; "an inseparable becomes legal, would you like to get married?
Well, I have to be asked, I guess. [Smiles] But I love the idea of marriage. I think it's beautiful. I'm such a romantic, and I always have been.
What's next for you, actingwise?
I'm very excited about the new season of Arrested Development. I think it's a brilliant show--all the characters are so deplorable de·plor·a·ble
1. Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach: a deplorable act of violence.
2. , and yet somehow likable lik·a·ble also like·a·ble
lika·ble·ness, like . Even scarier, they're relatable. Incidentally, I asked both of the [teenage actors on the show] if they had any gay friends at school, and they were like, "Sure! Steve's gay, Sarah's gay...." If I was 14 and knew some gay people, I wouldn't nearly have had the struggle I had. Our world is definitely changing.
Anything new with you and Ellen?
We've just had an amazing summer. We bought a ranch [in California] with 120 acres. Ellen just bought me a horse, Jones, who's a beautiful big gray gelding gelding
castrated male horse. . Eventually I just want to rescue animals and live on that farm.
Does Ellen ride too?
She doesn't right now. Oh, but she will.
You've been so open and honest about being gay in this interview.
When I watched Ellen come out in '97, my jaw was on the floor. I thought, There are some people who break the doors down, hold them open, and some people who walk right through. I always thought I was the latter. Thanks so much, everybody--thanks for making gay marriage legal, thank you for everything you've done--I'm just going to walk through that door.
[Dabs at her tear-filled eyes once again] Number 3. Unbelievable.
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