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LETTERS.


When Did He Say That?

Thank you for the back-page quotations by famous historical figures on the subject of church-state separation. I have found them to be very useful in debating the idea that the United States United States, officially United States of America, republic (2005 est. pop. 295,734,000), 3,539,227 sq mi (9,166,598 sq km), North America. The United States is the world's third largest country in population and the fourth largest country in area.  is a "Christian" country. I'd like to suggest that they include background information. Are they from a letter, to whom, what year, etc.? This would be very helpful in replying to, "Oh yeah, when did he say or write that?" I really enjoy and look forward to receiving Church & State -- it's GREAT!

--Irving B. Kasow Lake Elsinore, Calif.

Editor's Note Editor's Note (foaled in 1993 in Kentucky) is an American thoroughbred Stallion racehorse. He was sired by 1992 U.S. Champion 2 YO Colt Forty Niner, who in turn was a son of Champion sire Mr. Prospector and out of the mare, Beware Of The Cat.

Trained by D.
: For all those who have asked, James Madison's comment about church-state separation that has appeared on the back of recent issues comes from a letter he wrote to Robert Walsh Robert Walsh (1785 - 7 February 1859) was a publicist and diplomat. He was born in Baltimore, Maryland.

He was one of the first students entered at Georgetown College, graduated in 1801 and began his law course.
 on March 2, 1819.

Wildmon's AFA AFA

In currencies, this is the abbreviation for the Afghanistan Afghani.

Notes:
The currency market, also known as the Foreign Exchange market, is the largest financial market in the world, with a daily average volume of over US $1 trillion.
: A Family Affair

It's laudable that Church & State took aim at another Religious Right demagogue dem·a·gogue also dem·a·gog  
n.
1. A leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.

2. A leader of the common people in ancient times.

tr.v.
 ("In Don We Trust," May). The Rev. Donald Wildmon has been caught again in another one of his numerous schemes to fund his cottage industry, American Family Association The American Family Association (AFA) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes conservative Christian values.[1][2][3][4] It was founded in 1977 by Rev.  in Tupelo, Miss. In the recent past, these funds provided for a new building that houses his operations and conveniently employs several family members.

Of course we all know that the real King of Tupelo is actually Elvis Presley, who was born there in 1935.

--Albert Santerre Salem, N.H.

Don't Turn Taxes Into Tithes TITHES, Eng. law. A right to the tenth part of the produce of, lands, the stocks upon lands, and the personal industry of the inhabitants. These tithes are raised for the support of the clergy.
     2.
 

Back in Ireland in 1833, my great-great-grandfather, a Roman Catholic, was legally compelled to pay a tithe tithe

Contribution of a tenth of one's income for religious purposes. The practice of tithing was established in the Hebrew scriptures and was adopted by the Western Christian church.
 of three shillings for the support of the local Church of Ireland Noun 1. Church of Ireland - autonomous branch of the Church of England in Ireland
Anglican Church, Anglican Communion, Church of England - the national church of England (and all other churches in other countries that share its beliefs); has its see in Canterbury
 (Episcopal) parish. At that time, he was subsisting his family of six on the potato harvest from a bit more than an acre of poor quality County Limerick soil. In context, that three shillings was an enormous sum; and although my ancestor ultimately starved to death in the Great Irish Famine of 1845-47, it can safely be presumed that the Church of Ireland pastor managed to survive.

Now, my great-great-grandfather did not starve in Ireland, nor did his son immigrate im·mi·grate  
v. im·mi·grat·ed, im·mi·grat·ing, im·mi·grates

v.intr.
To enter and settle in a country or region to which one is not native. See Usage Note at migrate.

v.tr.
 to the United States on a cattle boat, so that I could watch any part of my federal tax payment morph into a tithe for James Dobson, Pat Robertson or Sun Myung Moon Noun 1. Sun Myung Moon - United States religious leader (born in Korea) who founded the Unification Church in 1954; was found guilty of conspiracy to evade taxes (born in 1920)
Moon
.

And my voucher-avid fellow Catholics would do well to reflect on their own family histories, and to remember that charity is a virtue, and not a line in some future federal budget.

Good men died to give us the option of writing our own checks.

--John Jordan Moore Bloomington, Ill.

Faith-Based Programs: Don't Overlook Constitutional Concerns

When George W. Bush announced his initiative to give federal funding to "faith-based" programs, I quickly decided our recently appointed president was not a student of the Constitution. Indeed, there are constitutional scholars claiming the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives is itself inconsistent with the Constitution.

As more and more of the religious community speak out against the president's proposal, it is interesting to note the concerns expressed. Many do not speak to the constitutional issues but seem instead focused on the potential for government intrusion into church affairs -- reporting requirements, accountability, constraints on ritual observance and hiring practices, etc.

It would appear that along with our president, some of the clergy are remarkably either unconcerned with the constitutional issues or blithely ignorant of constitutional law. I would have hoped that religious leaders would acknowledge that the president's faith-based folly demands concerns that go well beyond additional reporting requirements levied on church administrators.

I would hope enlightened clergy would look beyond the impact federal dollars may have on their own congregations and give some thought to how church-state separation has allowed religion to prosper in this country. I cannot place too much emphasis on the dangers of attempting to categorize what is an "acceptable" religion and the doling out of federal largesse lar·gess also lar·gesse  
n.
1.
a. Liberality in bestowing gifts, especially in a lofty or condescending manner.

b. Money or gifts bestowed.

2. Generosity of spirit or attitude.
 to those so blessed. While religions may be intolerant of one another, the discourse between religions is mostly tolerant. This will change once pecuniary Monetary; relating to money; financial; consisting of money or that which can be valued in money.


pecuniary adj. relating to money, as in "pecuniary loss.
 interests take center stage.

--Roger G. Goldberg, President Northwest Florida Chapter, Americans United Pensacola, Fla.

Charities Need Volunteers, Not Funds

As a full-time community volunteer (Methodist church programs, public school programs and other community programs), I see a problem with faith-based programs receiving government funds that has not been widely discussed: Money is not the major need of charitable programs; time and people are in short supply.

Many volunteers are already at the point of burn-out, and we are not interested in being paid for what we do. Having to figure out government forms could be the final straw for a lot of us.

--Carolyn C. Peterson Houghton, Mich.

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