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CROSS IN SEAL WORTH A FIGHT? COUNTY SUPERVISORS TO VOTE.


Byline: Troy Anderson Staff Writer

A threat by the American Civil Liberties Union American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), nonpartisan organization devoted to the preservation and extension of the basic rights set forth in the U.S. Constitution.  of Southern California Southern California, also colloquially known as SoCal, is the southern portion of the U.S. state of California. Centered on the cities of Los Angeles and San Diego, Southern California is home to nearly 24 million people and is the nation's second most populated region,  to sue Los Angeles Los Angeles (lôs ăn`jələs, lŏs, ăn`jəlēz'), city (1990 pop. 3,485,398), seat of Los Angeles co., S Calif.; inc. 1850.  County government unless it removes a cross from the official county seal is expected to generate heated debate Tuesday when the Board of Supervisors votes on whether to fight the demand.

Supervisors Michael D. Antonovich Michael Dennis Antonovich (born 1939 in Los Angeles, California) is a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors representing the Fifth District, which covers northern Los Angeles County, the Antelope, Santa Clarita, Pasadena, and parts of the San Fernando and San  and Don Knabe Donald R. Knabe (born October 15, 1943 in Illinois) is a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, serving the Fourth District, a crescent shaped district that covers the coastline from Marina Del Rey southward to Long Beach, and southeastern Los Angeles County to  say they want to defend the county against what they called frivolous litigation that they fear could cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The three other supervisors have not yet taken public positions.

``I hope all my colleagues have the same sense of outrage I do,'' said Knabe, the board chairman. ``In light of everything else going on in this county and state - from budget issues to homeland security to murders in our jails - for the ACLU ACLU: see American Civil Liberties Union.  to do this is a waste of time and resources.''

Antonovich called the lawsuit a threat to ``desecrate des·e·crate  
tr.v. des·e·crat·ed, des·e·crat·ing, des·e·crates
To violate the sacredness of; profane.



[de- + (con)secrate.
 the county seal.''

The action is ``Orwellian, out-of-control political correctness that has no legal basis,'' he added. ``Next the ACLU will want to eliminate the crosses and Stars of David in our nation's military cemeteries.''

Adopted in March 1957, the county seal was designed by the late county Supervisor Kenneth Hahn, father of the current Los Angeles mayor, James Hahn.

The cross represents the historical influence of the missions in California, officials said, and is in a panel along two stars above a depiction of the Hollywood Bowl. The panel is one of six around the seal's main figure, Pomona, a Roman goddess of fruits and trees, representing the region's agriculture.

While county officials call the cross a reflection of regional history, the ACLU maintains it is an ``impermissible im·per·mis·si·ble  
adj.
Not permitted; not permissible: impermissible behavior.



im
 endorsement of Christianity'' and violates the First Amendment requirement for separation of church and state
See also: .
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine which states that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent of one another.
.

``This is not open to debate among reasonable jurists The following lists are of prominent jurists, including judges, listed in alphabetical order by jurisdiction. See also list of lawyers. Antiquity
  • Hammurabi
  • Solomon
  • Manu
  • Chanakya
,'' ACLU attorney Ben Wizner said. ``This is a closed question, and it's not even a close call.''

If the supervisors vote to fight the potential lawsuit, legal experts say the case may go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In similar cases in Stow, Ohio; Zion, Ill.; and Bernalillo County, N.M., federal courts found that crosses on government seals violated the First Amendment rule. But in a case in Austin, Texas, a federal court found the cross on the city seal was part of the historical legacy of the city.

Douglas W. Kmiec, chairman and professor of constitutional law at the Pepperdine University School of Law The Pepperdine University School of Law is a law school in Malibu, California. Pepperdine Law offers Juris Doctor degrees as well as LL.M. degrees in taxation law, international law, business and corporate law. , said crosses on the seals in Stow, Zion and Bernalillo County were part of an overwhelming amount of religious imagery. But on the Austin city seal, the cross is among secular symbols.

``I would argue there is a strong overlap in the thinking in that (Austin) case and the county seal of Los Angeles because of the historical significance,'' Kmiec said. ``In all fairness to the ACLU, the U.S. Supreme Court in all likelihood would approve of what the county of Los Angeles has done.''

The ACLU threat comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is debating whether to overturn a recent 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that it is unconstitutional for children in public schools to recite the words ``under God'' in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance, in full, Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, oath that proclaims loyalty to the United States. and its national symbol. . The opinion could be released next month.

Kmiec said the ACLU's tactical strategy may be to pressure county supervisors into agreeing to remove the cross before the U.S. Supreme Court releases its opinion in the pledge case.

``I hope the county (supervisors are) sophisticated enough to know the issue is under debate, and they should not make any impulsive decisions to eliminate a symbol that does not offend the Constitution,'' Kmiec said.

In March 2003, the three Democrats on the Board of Supervisors rejected a motion by Antonovich to direct county lawyers to file a brief in support of keeping ``under God'' in the pledge.

So far, it's unclear if Tuesday's motion will get the three votes it needs to pass.

Glenda Wina, spokeswoman for Supervisor Yvonne Braithwaite Burke Yvonne Braithwaite Burke (born October 5, 1932) is a politician from Los Angeles, California, U.S.. She is the Los Angeles County Supervisor from the 2nd district, a position she has held since 1992. , said the supervisor is ``a Christian, of course, and has nothing against removing the cross in principle, but there are other aspects to consider.

Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who was on a University of Southern California The U.S. News & World Report ranked USC 27th among all universities in the United States in its 2008 ranking of "America's Best Colleges", also designating it as one of the "most selective universities" for admitting 8,634 of the almost 34,000 who applied for freshman admission  trip for a land-use seminar in Australia last week, has not taken a position.

``If this (is) offensive and is not something that can be defended in court, then we need to move forward and start correcting it,'' Supervisor Gloria Molina told KTTV Channel 11 last week.

ACLU leaders said their complaint was prompted by phone calls received after the city of Redlands recently agreed to remove a cross from the city seal.

``Smaller jurisdictions have been bullied by the ACLU,'' Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell said. ``Redlands gave in, but residents are raising money for a private legal challenge.''

Since the ACLU's threat, hundreds of people have sent e-mails and called county officials to express overwhelming opposition to changing the county seal. A Las Vegas woman offered to donate $5 toward defense of an ACLU lawsuit if one is filed.

``Please do not give in,'' she wrote. ``They must not win this fight. The whole world is watching.''

Troy Anderson, (213) 974-8985

troy.anderson(at)dailynews.com

IF YOU GO:

The Board of Supervisors will meet at 1 p.m. Tuesday at the Kenneth Hahn Hall of Administration, 500 W. Temple St., Room 381B.

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